
Which of these infamous wenches do you think has had the last laugh? I never thought I'd say it, but I have to go with Courtney—she is living out her retirement years in England cosplaying Miss Havisham and mostly seems to be minding her own business. Meanwhile, Madge is continuing to humiliate herself onstage, endlessly balloon her face, and OD at age 65.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 68 | December 16, 2023 9:58 PM |
Pardon me, this was intended to be a poll, but I think it didn't take because I didn't enter a poll title. Apologies.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | December 15, 2023 5:11 AM |
Courtney. She seems more at peace with herself and life than Madonna.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | December 15, 2023 5:19 AM |
I loved that Gucci outfit and retro fall on Madonna at that event.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | December 15, 2023 5:22 AM |
It's not a competition. They each have their wins and losses, talents and vulgarities.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | December 15, 2023 5:32 AM |
Kurt Loder looks like a priest.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | December 15, 2023 7:06 AM |
Courtney has done ok for a murderer
by Anonymous | reply 6 | December 15, 2023 7:39 AM |
Honestly, they're both clowns. But I would say Madonna wins because she didn't grant an interview to Kevin Fucking Sessums. Sesshie is still dining out on his Courtney interaction all these years later and it's embarrassing for everyone involved.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | December 15, 2023 7:44 AM |
Too much of an imbalanced comparison to make sense. Madonna has had a far more epic career than Courtney.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | December 15, 2023 7:57 AM |
Madonna's children still speak to her so I think she wins.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | December 15, 2023 8:20 AM |
Madonna. As r10 said, she still has a relationship with her kids. The only one who hates her is Rocco. 5 out of 6 isn’t bad. Meanwhile, Courtney’s batting zero. Plus, Madonna may be a narcissistic attention whore, but she has never had to deal with psychosis, which I think Courtney has. Also, Madonna is insanely wealthy. All money she earned herself. Courtney would be broke if it wasn’t for Kurt.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | December 15, 2023 9:00 AM |
I know the elderqueens love to compare the two, and they did rival in the public eye to everyone’s delight back in the day, but this comparison doesn’t make sense.
It’s like comparing Michael Jackson’s career to M. C. Hammer’s.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | December 15, 2023 9:00 AM |
Courtney also started life as a trust fund kid, and is ending one as a trust fund adult.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | December 15, 2023 9:01 AM |
Courtney was not a trust fund kid. Both her parents were horrible to her and bat shit.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | December 15, 2023 9:22 AM |
[quote]who's had the last laugh?
I suspect laughing could cause both of their faces to crack.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | December 15, 2023 9:46 AM |
It is true that Courtney was a trust fund kid. I don’t think she had an exorbitant amount, but her mother was a well-educated hippie therapist who was raised by well-off adoptive parents. That being said, she was not a good mom to Courtney, and Courtney’s dad was a loon. Neither of her parents were present in her life, physically and otherwise. I don’t think Courtney really had any emotional support growing up, which she desperately needed. She opted to take the self-destructive paths as a result. I think she’s a much more interesting person than Madonna.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | December 15, 2023 10:30 AM |
Courtney, because Madge has fallen so far where as Courtney was always at rock bottom and had nowhere to fall 😏
by Anonymous | reply 18 | December 15, 2023 10:36 AM |
Millennials and Gen Z have reclaimed Courtney from Gen X and regard her as an unfairly crucified icon. Like it or not, people like Doja Cat are doing covers of Hole songs these days. Madonna doesn't have that kind of cultural currency, especially among younger people. Courtney has gotten some past-due credit that I don't envision Madge receiving.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | December 15, 2023 10:43 AM |
They're both rich old ladies laughing all the way to the bank
by Anonymous | reply 20 | December 15, 2023 10:50 AM |
@r6, "Courtney has done ok for a murderer "
Nah, if you had to wake up every morning looking at Courtney Love, you'd have done the same 😬
Guy Ritchie got out in the nick of time
by Anonymous | reply 22 | December 15, 2023 11:15 AM |
Girls, girls. You're both cunts.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | December 15, 2023 12:19 PM |
At this point, I prefer Courtney
by Anonymous | reply 24 | December 15, 2023 12:25 PM |
Both are nuts. People are willing to see Madonna still (a topic on DL is 3000 unsold Madonna tixs at the Barclay - which is 15,000 sold) No one wanted anything Courtney had to give anymore - in her mental illness she thinks it’s Garbo time when she really is another Sally Kirkland but with her husband’s money
by Anonymous | reply 25 | December 15, 2023 12:31 PM |
Courtney got all her hard living and drugging years out of the way in her 20s and early 30s and seems to be living peacefully now.
Madonna should be retired and spending her money at this point, but she’s making an endless embarrassment of herself today.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | December 15, 2023 12:42 PM |
^ "Courtney got all her hard living and drugging years out of the way in her 20s and early 30s"
40s, 50s, 60s...
by Anonymous | reply 27 | December 15, 2023 1:09 PM |
Courtney looks better, is marginally more respectable and isn’t a laughingstock when making a public appearance. She also seems more fun to be around. Madonna has more money and fans. Both are batshit. Tie?
by Anonymous | reply 28 | December 15, 2023 1:37 PM |
^ "Courtney looks better, is marginally more respectable and isn’t a laughingstock when making a public appearance"
😂🤣😂
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 29 | December 15, 2023 1:56 PM |
R29 maybe she isn’t more respectable but that pic isn’t a public appearance and she does look better than Madonna there.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | December 15, 2023 2:17 PM |
R29 to be fair, that picture is 10+ years old, from back during the time when she released “Nobody’s Daughter”. This photo is about a year old and was taken at a public event. She looks pretty good, all things considered.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 31 | December 15, 2023 2:35 PM |
Buccal fat hatchet job. She should have left her face alone apart doing an old fashioned lift at 45 and another at 60.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | December 15, 2023 2:42 PM |
I'd have dinner with Courtney. The other one seems like she doesn't tip her waiters.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | December 15, 2023 2:52 PM |
I've always liked Courtney. I really liked her in " The People Vs Larry Flynt". Of course Madonna is an icon, but I like Courtney a little more.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | December 15, 2023 2:52 PM |
Madonna is a towering figure of late 20th Century pop culture. The most iconic white musical artist of the 1980s. Etc.
Courtney is more of a sideshow/provocateur/antihero. I'm sure they're both exhausting to be around, but Courtney has a better sense of humor and seems more well-read. Madonna's only obsessed with herself where Courtney's obsessions are more ... wide-ranging.
Also, some will consider this heresy, but I don't think Madonna ever made an album as cohesive and overall catchy as either Live Through This or Celebrity Skin. Madge was always more about the singles.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | December 15, 2023 3:41 PM |
[quote]I'd have dinner with Courtney. The other one seems like she doesn't tip her waiters.
You like Wendys?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 36 | December 15, 2023 3:52 PM |
@r30, Click on the picture and it will take you to a cornucopia of trashy public appearances
by Anonymous | reply 37 | December 15, 2023 3:54 PM |
R5 😂 He always used to look like that.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | December 15, 2023 4:30 PM |
Uh Oh R36 is mad. She does not want anyone talking about Madonna!
by Anonymous | reply 39 | December 15, 2023 6:55 PM |
The real question is... why is DL loaded with misogyny? Both are fascinating, talented entertainers. They both win and OP loses.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | December 15, 2023 7:05 PM |
^ Oh, wow, I never thought of that 🤔
... Doesn't even come close to making me feel bad
by Anonymous | reply 41 | December 15, 2023 7:17 PM |
[quote]Millennials and Gen Z have reclaimed Courtney from Gen X and regard her as an unfairly crucified icon
A dubious distinction.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | December 15, 2023 9:10 PM |
I always loved that quote by Madonna in I think it was Details in the mid-90s, after she and Courtney had infamously clashed in the public eye (it was more than that MTV Awards interview, there were several run-ins). The interviewer asked what she thinks of Courtney. Madonna’s answer was something like…
“I’m fascinated with her in the same way I’m fascinated watching a paraplegic person walk in Central Park.”
by Anonymous | reply 43 | December 15, 2023 10:04 PM |
Courtney’s brash, scary-glamor insanity easily stole the spotlight from Madonna when they were together, deserving or not.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | December 15, 2023 10:07 PM |
Courtney who? Oh, the irrelevant murderer.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | December 15, 2023 10:08 PM |
R43 the mutual shade was ongoing between them in the early-mid ‘90s. Back when Hole was still signed to an indie (pre-1993), Madonna was considering signing them to her own label. In a retrospective response, Courtney declared: “Madonna’s interest in me was kind of like Dracula’s interest in his latest victim.”
by Anonymous | reply 46 | December 15, 2023 10:12 PM |
Can’t we love them both?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 47 | December 15, 2023 10:24 PM |
I would love to encounter Courtney or be in the same room with her. She’s funny and has great stories (whether or not they are true isn’t important and I would expect a ton of name dropping). Maroon is just a horrible bitch with zero sense of humor or humility.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | December 16, 2023 12:38 AM |
I think they're both fantastic.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | December 16, 2023 12:46 AM |
Yeah, Madonna wanted to sign hole but Court thought it would be cool to turn her down and signed with Geffen instead.
Geffen proceeded to screw Hole out of a bunch of royalties and Madonna signed Alanis who was huge at the time.
Somewhere along the line, probably Evita-Larry Flynt time, they stopped badmouthing each other and started hanging out at parties and speaking complimentary of each other to the press.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | December 16, 2023 2:04 AM |
That Kurt Loder interview where Madonna is acting all prim and proper and Courtney keeps throwing shit up at her is🔥.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | December 16, 2023 2:20 AM |
R47 I think everything Hole did, from their first singles up to Celebrity Skin, was phenomenal. Great music that ran the gamut from dark, sludgy noise to more conventional alternative rock in their later stuff—all of it was very well-written and compelling.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | December 16, 2023 2:35 AM |
I’ve been a fan of both but I think this is an odd comparison. There was never really a rivalry. Courtney just wanted Madonna’s attention. In terms of career there is no comparison, Madonna has been a cultural icon for 40 years, Courtney never reached anywhere near that level. She was a very talented songwriter and actress at her peak but did not have the ambition to keep pursuing excellence diligently. That having been said it seems like she has a chill enjoyable life while Madonna is chasing a youth she can’t get back.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | December 16, 2023 2:51 AM |
I like Courtney so much I even like the album "Nobody's Daughter"!
by Anonymous | reply 54 | December 16, 2023 3:34 AM |
R53 Madonna is obviously desperate to stay relevant in a way that Courtney seems to have gotten over after "Nobody's Daughter" flopped (I think it was a good album, for the record). I think Courtney has accepted her legacy at this point, which is a pretty good one despite all of her life's ups and downs. She was a weird, maladaptive, chubby goth from the Pacific Northwest who wanted to be a famous rock star and actress—and she managed to do it. Even when the public hated her, critics reviewed Hole's music very positively from the start; she got accolades for her acting, too. She made her mark and it seems that she is at peace with it now. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for our dear Madge—her sheer inability to pause or self-reflect reveals her to be a truly sick person, possibly worse than Courtney was at her lowest.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | December 16, 2023 3:41 AM |
R55 also, Courtney was no beauty. She was really homely before the nose job and weight loss but she still made it. There are thousands of gorgeous girls out there trying to make it and failing. I also think it’s amazing she publicly called out Weinstein before anyone else did
by Anonymous | reply 56 | December 16, 2023 4:05 AM |
True R56. I think the old adage "where there's a will, there's a way" applies to her greatly. She certainly wasn't trading on beauty when she was first starting out. I think it was sheer brashness and a bit of delusion that helped her get her foot in the door. There is something about a homely outcast girl with a lot of ambition and some manufactured confidence that I find endearing. I think most gay men can appreciate a brassy bitch like that.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | December 16, 2023 4:13 AM |
It's weird to compare them. Courtney was a rock chick and Madonna the ultimate pop star.
I love Hole's music, but the truth is she's probably dead or living some quiet sober as a C list actress if it wasn't for Cobain's money. On that fact alone, I guess Madonna wins.
But I'd rather hang out with Courtney, that's for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | December 16, 2023 6:13 AM |
Madonna fools people into thinking she’s intelligent because she has nice elocution. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Courtney is much smarter, but her thinking patterns and ways of communicating are scattershot and oftentimes hard to follow, so it doesn’t always appear that way. Courtney is extremely well-read and is also a walking encyclopedia of pop culture. Madonna has no interests outside of herself, and the shallowness shows more and more the older she gets.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | December 16, 2023 8:03 AM |
Courtney can act, something Madonna could NEVER achieve.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | December 16, 2023 12:59 PM |
Courtney and Kurt loved one another. Another thing Madonna has never achieved.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | December 16, 2023 1:00 PM |
Courtney is smarter and has more depth.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | December 16, 2023 2:33 PM |
Courtney really is smarter and she can be funny, and she is self-deprecating. Of course a nutcase.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | December 16, 2023 2:37 PM |
They are both laughing all the way to the bank. Also laughing at people who claim to hate them, yet can't stop talking about them. Here's to their longevity and continued cultural relevancy.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | December 16, 2023 2:37 PM |
Madonna, like her or not.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | December 16, 2023 2:38 PM |
R56 has a very good point bc I am 100% sure Weinstein killed her burgeoning acting career because of that. She could have been a big star in that arena — she had the chops — but she told the truth and paid the price.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | December 16, 2023 5:04 PM |
R66 there's definitely truth to that I think considering CAA dropped her as a client after she made the Weinstein comment. In fairness though, she also fucked over her acting career by relapsing. The early 2000s were probably the the gnarliest for her in terms of drug use. She was doing all manner of pills, coke, and even smoking crack. Remember her insane appearance on Letterman? At least she was funny though.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 67 | December 16, 2023 5:44 PM |
Which had greater cultural impact, Grunge and Riot grrrl...
.....or Madonna inspiring generations of female performers to be identikit performative whores wrapped up in the guise of feminism?
Give me Courtney any day.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | December 16, 2023 9:58 PM |
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